Dr. Fardad Fateri was featured on an EDU podcast with EdUp to talk about the future of higher education.
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foreign welcome back everybody it's your time to add up on the edup Experience Podcast
where we make education your business Dr Joe celustio back with you again for the
500 and something if time I'll continue to come back and do it uh because as you
as you have seen that's I make so many mistakes I just keep them in I don't edit them but as you know
Elvin has booked me out until now the end of February every time I get on this episode there is one more month tacked
on the end uh where I podcast literally every single day at lunch except for
Christmas Day New Year's Day Thanksgiving day I'm taking those days off maybe I'll take a vacation eventually but I gotta tell you my my
co-founder Alvarez has prevented me and forbid me forbade me in fact from taking
a vacation we're going to have to talk about that Elven uh coming up of course I can take a vacation because you all
know that we're writing a book called commencement the beginning of a new era on higher education
basically um we're writing it with 100 plus co-authors and who are they they're the
100 plus college and university presidents the first hundred that we interviewed we're taking all their insights all their fears and successes
and we're putting them into a book along with my co-author Kate Colbert it's available on Amazon self plugging here
um my own book uh it is my my podcast so I can do that I guess without it sounding too terrible but I do have a
guest here today that I want to get to a very important guest in fact that's doing some great things and has done
great things in higher education for uh at this particular Organization for now I think uh going on in like 15 years or
so but before I get to him I do want to bring in my guest co-host you've heard
it before ladies and gentlemen you'll hear them again because now that I give them an open invitation he keeps coming back here he is he's Douglas Carl
Carlson he's head of Business Development and Partnerships with North America at leedsquared Douglas I was so
um specific that I need to get your title right I messed up your last name but that's how it goes here quite all right you know Carlson it works just
fine and uh you know thanks for letting me continue to walk in the door here you should just lock it and I won't won't
Escape yeah but I give you a key so that's not working very good so you know that but but you know what we're going
to get better and better as we do this Douglas and I I love having you on man because you've got a great background and insights and and you're old lead
squared and working with colleges and universities across the United States so you've got a lot of great Insight you
are in Denver in fact my old stomping ground is that correct are you in Denver right now it is you know over 300 days
of sunshine a year it's not about bad life I you know what you're getting really good at plugging things that you like too on this podcast am I that
transparent yeah no no not at all but but you're doing a good job and it sounds very natural when you do do it so
well done um Douglas I'm really excited for our guest today um he is like I said they've been doing
him and his colleagues have been doing great work in higher education for many years let me bring him in now here he is
it's Dr Fardad Fateri he's president and CEO of International Education Corporation Fardad how are you
well thank you very much how are you Joe I'm living the dream except I'm not in
California where you are so you know I'm living the St Louis stream over here how are things out there in Cali
good very well uh we enjoy the same number of uh sunny days here in Southern
California uh the winter yes without the winter so we do miss the Four Seasons
from time to time well you know what uh you know it is uh Denver is a nice place I have to say and
uh I will I will tell you that where I live now in Saint Charles Missouri is also very nice you get to you get the Four Seasons you definitely get a fall
season which is my favorite we're getting ready for our division one football games we have here at this University and um and you know that's
the reason I bring that up is because that is one particular way to experience higher education the traditional path as
it were Lindenwood University has a traditional path for students 18 year olds who come into watching football and
so on um but International Education Corporation does things a little bit
different in fact and so I thought you might just lay the groundwork for us what is IEC what is it comprising what
comprises IEC what do you guys do and how do you do it yeah IEC is a holding organization we
have multiple brands that we own and operate uh one of them is Florida Career
College uh one is uyi UEI College uh one is United Education Institute we also
have two uh uh other systems that offer
even shorter term programs one is Sage Truck Driving School and one is U.S
colleges so the first three I mentioned United Education Institute UEI College
and Florida Career College offer uh eight to ten month programs in high
demand uh career focused uh uh programs
like uh uh programs in healthcare skilled trades business criminal justice
and we the and Sage Truck Driving School and U.S colleges offer even short-term
shorter term programs for six four weeks six week and two month programs uh uh in
EMT and uh truck driving and and programs within within that time
frame so preparing students in all areas for entry-level positions in high demand
verticals within the marketplace amazing I love it because
um career colleges fill a very important role in the U.S higher education system
and it's becoming even more important as we see I think adults looking for a skill
development and get me into the workforce as fast as humanly possible let me make some money let me figure out
what I'm going to do after that whether I'm going to stick in the job that I have or I want to go back to school but I might career change I might switch my
career at 45 and and those things didn't used to happen 10 20 30 years ago and
they're happening now as a result of the pandemic they're happening even faster sometimes what's demand been looking
like and how have your programs filled a particular need yeah demand has been consistent for us
uh because of the spaces uh this this we we occupy uh Healthcare skilled trades
and some are cyclical some are counter-cyclical
um when when the economy uh is is on the rise and the the cyclical programs like
skilled trades do well and when the economy retracts uh other programs like
the ones in healthcare um start uh uh growing so overall demand
has been very very consistent uh not not just because of the economy but uh like
you referenced also because of of students and and their choices now uh
versus before you know uh 20 years ago everybody wanted to go to school and get
a degree um you know Bachelors Masters doctoral degrees that's what I did uh because I
thought that is the only path uh to secure employment uh but but but lately
uh students are are focused more on competency-based education they want to
become proficient uh in in specific skills so they can secure employment and
that has a lot to do with employer at the demand and employer behavior in the
past employers would want a bachelor's degree or a master's degree to look at
candidates I know as an employer I used to focus a lot on academic background
but today a lot of employers look for skills they look for proficiencies and
Mastery in specific areas and not necessarily degrees they want even if
you have a bachelor's degree they want to know if you have uh skills and
proficiencies in specific areas where they have significant needs I mean I'm
sure you've heard companies like Amazon Google Facebook they have their own
training programs because post-secondary education in America has failed them
right so so they are now developing their own uh people capability because
of the the the need and and the Gap in post-secondary education
Douglas I know you want to come in do you have any questions Douglas I don't know if you do you might oh yeah well
and and far that it was like such an interesting point that you're both have
programs that are cyclical and counter cyclical so I'm actually wondering if that just kind of balances you out
doesn't matter where you are in the economy or do you kind of look ahead at your crystal ball and see hey it's a
little bit choppy right now uh we expect our counter cyclical programs to grow therefore we're planning on growth or
just how do you I guess how do you think about that and are you just are naturally positioned to kind of stay steady because of the cyclical and
counter-cyclical cycle of the different programs yeah yeah that's an excellent question well we look at demand and and
um you know and for example right now within skilled trades like uh electrical
technician that program is is uh purely uh cyclical so when when the economy is
growing that program the demand for that program is very very high and
um but but HVAC heating ventilation and air
conditioning that program always does well uh because there's always need and
demand for that type of skill and and Healthcare programs like medical
assistant pharmacy technician patient care technician dental assistant those
programs are more more counter cyclical uh just simply because people go back to
school uh to either shift careers or secure new employment uh because uh
because of the economy and the retraction in the economy got it well and I'm also curious we've
talked about a couple different things about sort of non-traditional students so I'm curious if your population reflects the stat but you know if you go
to newamerica.org just if anyone's actually trying to validate the stats um most Americans about 63 believe that
the average college student is 20 years old which is actually not true the average age of a college student is 26.4
years not that the 0.4 makes any difference right does that reflect your students or your population or is it
just kind of a wide range uh no our average is is between 26 to 28 years old
as well uh you know uh you know historically we used to call that group
non-traditional but I think that is the traditional student today it's no longer non-traditional yes
yes well and I'm also also curious like what's the profile of someone that that
you're enrolling that you're educating is are they coming are they coming back after trying school have they been in
the job market a little while and they want to shift and maybe it's all the above but just really curious about who you serve yeah you know it's it's
several groups one um are students who've been in other professions
um and I want to shift careers uh you know that's one the other one a group of
students who've tried community colleges uh they've taken a course or two
and they just couldn't see the light at the end of the tunnel uh with with uh
with career oriented programs and and then we have students who have low
household incomes they've never worked before they've never gone to school before they haven't done well
academically and they're looking for a path uh and then an opportunity for them
to be able to learn specific skills in a in a safe uh secure
um and and friendly and students oriented Community
to to help them learn and secure employment afterwards so that all of
them have the same all of our students have the same ambition in that they want short term
uh and and they don't mind starting at the bottom entry level and entering
professions uh that they're unfamiliar with uh but but their backgrounds are
are different got it interesting and Joe if I may just ask one more question I know you want to
jump in with yours as well but yeah you can take over the podcast anytime you want Douglas I really appreciate it
[Laughter] uh so I'm curious with IEC when I was
looking through your programs it looks like you're mostly if not all focused on ground base one correct me if you have a
big online program that I missed but two if I haven't is there a reason why you've gone with the strategy of a more
ground-based approach versus really driving into the online space yeah you know we were 100 on ground okay
before covet and and when covet ahead uh
we decided to go hybrid we've we've been we've been researching hybrid training
and hybrid education for years before covet but covet in a way pushed us into
a new mode of delivering content uh in a different way
um and and so what we've done with hybrid is we we have developed a
learning management system so we have our all of our Theory and lectures uh
delivered virtually um uh through our LMS and then we have
all of our Hands-On components within our our curricula that's that are
offered uh through our Labs on campus so students come to school two days a week
for all of our Hands-On practitioner oriented uh lab Focus uh uh training and
then they will they do all all the theory um on a virtually uh through our LMS so
all of our programs are offered now through a hybrid mode where there is a
mix between uh the theory and the lecture and and the on-campus on ground
uh Hands-On component we have one program that's fully online
uh and and and that's our we have a diploma programming medical billing and
coding uh that's 100 online it's a relatively it's a pilot program we just
started it uh several months ago uh but it's uh we're trying to learn
um how to do that effectively again our philosophy is we want students to to to
master uh the the learning objectives of each program the terminal learning
objectives of each program so they employers can can benefit from their
skills and we want to be sure whether the content is delivered fully online or
in the hybrid format the students have the same experience and they they have
the same learnings so that employers would still recruit them and hire them
for us I mean the greatest accountability is not only to graduate our students but it's also to place them
so if employers are not going to hire our graduates our job is not done right
so so for us uh uh the the employability and the gainful employment of our
students is critical to Our Success because that's how we are measured
um so it's it's not one of those types of programs that you can finish and by
finish fishing you're done we're not done until students secure employment in
academically related entry-level professions
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that's an important point and I I I've talked about this before as as we've had
different guests on from different sectors of of higher ed in the Career College sector specifically it's very
heavily and unfairly regulated in my opinion
um you know so you think if you're if you're working for a non-profit institution big institution and you're
you know finishing off students and you're handing the degree and you're saying good luck to you on your path towards a new job
um many of the institutions in the current College sector that's when the work begins it's like you gotta find
this student meaningful work to a certain percentage of your graduates in
order to be able to continue that program um or else and there's lots that goes into it so there's another
infrastructure that career colleges have to create in career services that simply just does not exist in other areas of
higher education that means more overhead more fixed costs but sometimes
really really and most of the time really really good outcomes because you can tie your outcomes to jobs and money
and produce a more clear more clarity around an Roi would you say that would
be true first of all the regular regulation piece and second of all the the roips yeah um addressing your first point
about uh regulatory oversight I I am I am an academic I'm an educator that's
how I started uh uh my profession so I'm a big big proponent of of academic
quality and educational Integrity so so I am overall in favor of regulatory
oversight be it State institutional accreditation or federal now with that said I also believe uh
regulatory oversight uh should uh should uh transcend uh the tax status of an
organization and and apply to any post-secondary entity whether they are
tax spaying or non-tax paying um in the United States as you know the regulatory
the regulations and the laws that provide oversight for tax paying schools
are are far more stringent than non-tax paying schools uh and and there are many
examples of that and I'm sure uh the two of you are aware of those my my personal feeling is uh if students in the tax
paying sector like ours uh uh deserve consumer protection so do students in
non-tax paying schools why shouldn't uh students in non-tax
schools I just want to hit the attention button because it's so important what you're saying yeah why shouldn't
students in non-tax paying schools not have access to the same protection
rights as tax paying schools and then that's where you know we get into the discussion of
regulatory oversight on the politics of higher education uh but but I am all for
regulation and to me from a business standpoint regulations are excellent It's a barrier to entry for me right the
more regulations that that are out there the better that means that we won't have everybody opening up a school in the
corner but I do believe uh that regardless of tax status regulations
should apply to every program every school uh every University uh in America
and and and and and I and I you know that's a position I've held my entire
professional life even when I worked um at public nonprofits out there so I I
think regulations in general are good uh but they need to be uniformed they need
to be standardized they need to be consistent uh uh within all of
post-secondary Education regardless of tax status uh so that's my my opinion
about uh regulatory oversight I also believe uh regulators
um and need to be fair they need to be reasonable and they need to provide
proper due process regardless of tax status so we are not always
like paranoid and anxious depending on who's
the Secretary of Education who's in office and who's not I don't want to run my business based on who's in office but
based on what students need I am an educator I don't want to worry about
uh you know who the political appointees are I want to worry about how to serve
my students and and and because of things the way things are we spent way
too much time on on on on on things that don't matter to to student rights
student protection student achievement and student learning and and student
outcomes unfortunately uh that that has been an emerging outcome of of the the
ecosystem within post-secondary education now going to the ROI part
um I think uh that uh that that Career
Training and Career Education is a necessary component of post-secondary
Education I am I I am also one of those that believes there is a need for community colleges there is a need for
state colleges universities undergraduate
postgraduate programs there is a need for all of that and and I do believe that every segment
of of this Continuum provides significant value uh to to the
marketplace and to the economy um and and so I I am not one of those
that advocates for either or but everybody needs to better understand
their role within the space they occupy uh you won't ever see us start offering
programs that are not consistent with our thesis of having short-term programs
preparing students for entry-level jobs I I think within this Continuum uh in
the American higher education system there has been a lot of crossover of School companies and and I think that's
where it gets a little gooey and messy and so everybody just needs to stay
within their Lane and and and do what they're good at so our core competency
uh here is is to offer short-term programs uh in high demand verticals
preparing students for entry-level jobs we are not good at anything else like so
so kind of EX being humble and accepting your limitations I I think is very very
important uh in in being a contributor uh to to student learning and and and to
the employers out there and I think that's where the ROI uh becomes a key question is are you doing what you said
you're gonna do and are you doing it effectively I mean that's the that's the the two questions that have to drive
decision making uh within every school and for for search and that's what
drives us let me ask one more quick when Douglas then I'll hand it over to you and you can run home with it but fire
Dead one of the hard things if um universities especially traditional ones
work on a traditional semester-based system and
um and many career colleges for years and years and years have worked in non-standard term which is a federal
definition but but off schedule if you want to say it that way with multiple
entry points with a faster replication schedule with more intrusive warm
retention services and and student services that replication schedule is
very hard for people who are not used to it to understand and get their arms around how do you how do you register a
student how do you run sap how do you put grades in I mean you put grades in
in two days that's impossible you can't do that you can't you know you guys have been running your various organizations
within IEC and a very fast replication schedule in terms of entry points can
you talk about that what what it takes organizationally to do that because it is is a vision based you know you've got
to get everybody moving in the same speed and that's a big differentiator speed yeah what does that look like and
how do you how do you if you're if you're somebody that doesn't understand that what do you what is that like
yeah that's that's an excellent question and and and um uh I can tell you I mean all of you I
mean you don't have to be in higher education to know that many many smaller
non-profit private universities have been shutting down in the last 10 years
uh simply because they wouldn't want to give up on the way they're scheduled the
way they're organized the way they run their faculty uh the way they run their
staff the the way they hold classes um so uh and and I think that will
continue that Trend will continue uh to persist because I believe uh students
may have been fine with that type of a model in the past but students today I
mean this is the digital uh uh uh Gen Y
and and Z and and the new Millennials we are dealing with they make decisions now
they want to take action now they want things they want to learn the the way
they learn not the way the school wants you to learn um so I mean we've we see that not only
in post-secondary education we see that in their consumer Behavior the way they buy uh the way they eat what they eat
where they shop um students today have different uh demands and schools post-secondary
schools that want to persist and do well and remain relevant will have to adjust uh to the
way students want to learn and how do they want to learn I mean we have Google
I mean for all practical purposes uh you know you can't teach history the way you
used to 20 years ago because students can go online on Google and learn about history
so how are you going to deliver content in a within a history discipline that's
relevant and would excite your students to actually come to Scouts to school whether it's virtual or whether it's on
ground so being able to schedule classes in a way that provides urgency and
convenience and timeliness and relevance is going to be critical uh to to the
success of schools and and I tell you what I'm telling you this sounds logical but a lot of colleges and universities
do not like it because they think it's impossible to organize yourselves to
organize themselves in a monthly type start format they don't want to design curricula uh in a way that accommodates
the students but uh philosophically the way I think about it is not what I
think is right what our faculty think is right or what our staff think it's right
it's what students want so if students everybody says it but very few people
are organized this way if we put students at that core of what you do how
you think how you organize yourselves then you can truly create the
appropriate infrastructure to accommodate that student so that's truly being student-centric uh right I mean
you know it's not for us to say what students need students will tell you what they need we just have to give it
to them we just have to provide them with what they need how they want to learn but what our thing is we need to
we need to know what employers want uh what the trends are and deliver
appropriate get content but deliver it the way the students will learn
Douglas over I I couldn't have said it better yeah
and if uh if I'm taking it home here I think the question I have and and you think you've answered this over the the
interview here but if you had a couple takeaways for for higher education on
lessons that they can learn or maybe you can help pass on from uh kind of a faster moving process you know what are
the things that you would point out to higher education institutions that would be worth them considering learning or
kind of a takeaway from your experience yeah um you know honestly I'm a learner I
learn every day every day I'm trying to figure out how to persist how to get better how to improve uh you know and
and I talk to so many people in higher education all the time and everybody's
saying well you're competing with me I'm competing with you community colleges say you're taking our students four-year
universities are saying you're taking my students my point is going on yeah
exactly and you know you know my point is we're not competing with one another
anymore I am not worried about the community colleges I'm not worried about the four-year universities I'm worried
about Amazon Google Facebook Tesla they are our competition because we are doing
a lousy job preparing America's Next Generation of America's workers if we
are doing a lousy job the American companies are going to take over training students yeah 100
yeah so so I am most were I'm not worried about my peer uh Career College
next door everybody who asks me who are your competitors I say they employers
if when employers stop Hiring Our grads when they start developing their own
training uh programs when they start opening their own colleges you know a
lot of companies are doing that then there we are because we become irrelevant we become Obsolete and I I'm
sad to say it's trending that way I mean the greatest fear fear in higher
education is not taking students from one another within the ecosystem but
from outside of the ecosystem uh with with employers becoming because they're
getting so much better they are hiring some of the best talent in our sector uh
to go there and set up shop to deliver content that's timely and relevant and
fast right I mean so uh that's that I mean this is I mean this is what I see I
I may be a little paranoid but I see that Trend uh continuing to persist and
and unless higher education is willing to transform itself not change but
transform itself so it becomes more relevant and so it becomes something
that our students want right so that's that that would be my my my my
earth-shattering message pretty darn good yeah no kidding
I think well and let's sum it up with something uh you know a little maybe perhaps a little wider
um I'm curious on the future programs that you're excited about so for
instance you know are you going to start offering uh electric car maintenance or just like with the new jobs and new
companies that are out there sort of the name the Teslas and Google's of the world um are there programs that you're seeing
come down the pipe that are maybe interesting exciting new um ores or is what you have as an
offering uh really what the what the market needs so I'm just curious on that end yeah that's an excellent question
right now I I think we are offering what the market needs uh we Auto we offer an
auto automotive technician program that's that we have the electric component but we're adding more and more
to the to the curriculum that's more uh focused on electric cars uh all the time
because of more and more uh electric cars being driven out there so that's how I hear that a lot with like the the
card you know and kind of mechanic or car maintenance is basically like a technology program now you know they're
using iPads and pictures and you know they're they're not uh the nuts and the bolts is the end of the job yeah I mean
it's exactly I mean so that's that that's transitionary but but but the the the programs we're looking into
um uh believe it or not you know we are looking into uh it wouldn't surprise you
that we're looking into programs to prepare students uh for uh green green
businesses uh I mean the demand has been limited uh but we're definitely trying
to capture employer demand for uh graduates who have special competencies
in entering the workforce for Green Technology um the other area we're looking at are
drones drone Pilots oh yeah and yeah and that's becoming a huge skill for a lot
of employers it's starting to take off in a in a very disciplined and structured way so that's an area we're
also exploring Friday let me ask you just a quick follow-up on that the employers tell you right they must come
to you and go hey you know what you got you have any drone maintenance technicians or something do you keep your staff
and I I think the answer is probably yes but how do you keep your staff on the
dime so that they can go oh employers said they need this we're going to whip this up like you must have some ready
tiger team or you know meetings on regular response to the employers yeah
yeah we we uh spend a lot of time with employers not just employers who hire
our graduates but overall employers uh out there we don't necessarily want to
get anecdotal information but we want uh uh evidence of of a large movement
towards certain professionals um I I tell everybody we are a pure
Career Training school so we are not like Automotive or skilled trades or Health Care uh if underwater basket
weaving becomes a very popular employment uh opportunity in the
workplace we will offer an eight-month underwater basket
weaving program uh this will be in line yeah and and but but we need to see
significant demand within the marketplace for that profession uh
employer employer demand is our signal to get into certain programs we didn't
have skilled trades until seven years ago until a lot of uh based on our
research we found out HVAC is a big area electrical technician is a big area
Automotive is a big area so you know we just look for for evidence uh uh within
the employment Marketplace to to start new programs and and explore our
research based on that well we like to ask a final two
questions to every single guest Fardad and what so far you provide an incredible insight to our uh our
listeners number one anything about IEC and your um member colleges that you'd
like to say anything that we missed anything that's important to you as a part of your strategy or Vision or
Mission that you want to add in anything at all your time to plug your your own College as much as you'd like and then
number two you kind of talked about it a little bit what do you see as the future of higher education
um as far as I see uh you know we are a
learning organization uh we we are not perfect I always tell everybody we're Perfectly Imperfect we're we are
learning all the time we're trying to get better in everything that we do uh we have great student outcomes uh
students are at the core of what we do uh we are an organization uh of
Educators uh we we our makeup of Senior Management and management uh is are
people who come from this industry they grew up in this industry we care a lot about students but we are uh we are work
in progress you know no matter how much we grow and how well our students do our
student outcomes have improved every year since I've been here in the last 15 years uh and that's something I'm very
very proud of we still have ways to go uh and and and I and I I think
Excellence is is something we strive for and we will never get to that point of
saying we are the best you'll never hear that from anybody here uh but I I do
believe what we do is important I do believe it matters and and I do believe
there is a strong need and a strong demand for for who we are and what we do
um and uh what was your second question uh well before I reask it I do want to say that you're all are also into
accountability if you go to the IEC website the first thing that it says right in the above the fold is obsessed
with Student Success and if you're going to say that and put it out there and the first thing you see on a website you better be ready to back it up and and I
appreciate that that says a lot about your organization yeah no thank you thank you and and and we mean it I mean
it's it's it's uh it's an important and accountability is important we're not storytellers we don't have excuses we
don't point fingers we take full accountability for uh everything that we
do good bad or ugly I like it and so the second question was anything you want to add about the
future of higher education for all those listening yeah I I in my opinion
uh American post-secondary Education is in trouble
um and and I and I believe I am very optimistic that it will figure itself
out uh but I I do believe that we need to recognize there's a big problem uh
and and we need to transform ourselves as as a as a as a as a sector uh and I'm
talking about regardless of tax status and and and degree or Career Training we
need to uh shift and transform ourselves to become more relevant and and more
timely and and to to be there for employers as well as our students uh I
don't think uh we should make decisions based on what us operators think we need
to start making decisions based on what employers want what Society needs and what our students want and and so uh
that's that and I think we will figure it out uh we always do as a country uh
but this is a this is a huge problem um that we have and we're in and and if
we don't make it either employers will make that decision or Worse the politicians and and and and
and and you know they'll either way if employers do it they're probably they'll
probably do it do a great job they'll do the job we're not doing if
politicians do it it's going to be messed up I mean that's the easiest way I can I can put it and they will make
that decision that we all know that and I can tell you there's probably a lot of people on this uh listening now that would agree with you and everything that
you said there um well I one thing I agree with is that this has been an incredible podcast
episode here of the edup experience of course my guest host with the longest title in the business ladies and gentlem here he is he's Douglas Carlson he's
head visits development Partnerships with North America at Leeds Square Douglas thank you for coming back yet
again my friend in crushing it always a pleasure that's all you got
always a pleasure all right you don't need to say anything else you're going to be back again probably in the next
couple days so we're going to figure it out yeah I'll see you tomorrow yeah yeah and ladies and gentlemen here he is
my guest Our Guest your guest today doctor Fardad Fateri he's president
and CEO of International Education Corporation look him up check out the work that you're doing for Dad did you
have a good edup experience today my friend it was excellent thank you for the thoughtful uh conversation I enjoyed
meeting both of you virtually and uh and I enjoyed the conversation a great deal
thank you same here ladies and gentlemen you've just adopted [Music]
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About the Author: Fardad Fateri
Dedicated to the advancement of student success, leadership development, and organizational excellence, Dr. Fardad Fateri has devoted his 30-year career to catalyzing innovation and transformation in American higher education.
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